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Mar. 1st, 2006

Tough day today. Scattered, infused, deluded, unable to concentrate. Might have something to do with lack of sleep, since I think I made it to bed at around 3:00, and I was up at 6:00 for reasons which are probably better off not being described in graphic detail.

On the good side, the ADR is done. Or at least this phase of it-- there are some spots where it's pretty obvious that more is needed. There's also things like Foley and effects that need to be done, and color correction, and a final sound mix, but not right now. I'm going to take a break from the movie for a while, curl into a little marmot-ball, and sleep.

Then there's the house. Framing needs to start this weekend in earnest, meaning a trip to the Nards or Home Despot to get wood and supplies. I stopped by Home Depot last night to get a ballpark estimate on prices for some various materials for rafter beams or trusses, and had a rather sphinchter-tightening realization on how bloody expensive a tear-off is.

First, looking at spans, it's coming out to something like 14- or 16-inch rafters being necessary. General price on those is around $4.50 per linear foot. Each rafer is about 21 feet long on each side, and they are spaced every 2 feet-- we're talking probably $10k for just the rafters. Then there's the ridge beam and sheathing and insulation and other framing details... I think it's easily $24k in materials alone. Contract that out, and it's probably double that with labor & equipment rental. That pretty much prices it out of the league of reality unless I can find a way to do it myself (which is bloody unlikely). Which means I may be stuck with reroofing the existing roof and hoping that the current decking isn't rotten, which is a considerable gamble considering the age of the house and the previous owner's lack of mechanical knowledge.

Boy, does that suck.

I am looking into trusses next. They are significantly cheaper, probably 30 percent less, but they are still large and difficult to ship. It might be easier if I can design the trusses and get them custom made (all pretty normal cuts), but I don't know how expensive that would be.

The other thing is scaffolding. As much as I hate the idea of doing my own roof work, I may have to in order to keep the costs down. A 15 foot scaffold new runs about a thousand dollars to purchase. There are probably better deals out there. Renting is probably not worth it because I would need the scaffolding for a long enough time that what I would pay in rental would purchase a new scaffold.

Crap. It still keeps coming back to just reroofing the existing house without changing the structure, and having somebody else do that work. I'm not built for roofing.

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burnunit
Mar. 1st, 2006 06:52 pm (UTC)
mrs_lovett and her dad re-roofed our house and it was in SHITE condition. I don't know how bad yours is, but I'll put the awfulness of ours against ANYONE in the city. Holes, layers of shingles on top of layers of shakes, rot, holes, bad shingles, holes (seriously, like water all over the inside of the house...)

My reason for mentioning it is that when they did the tear off, it definitely did not require spans/rafters/trusses. Are you sure you need trusses? Do you really need scaffold or do you think you do? Do you really need structure or think you do? The real issue on our old place was the decking and they tore up the bad parts and replaced them, and then decked over everything with OSB. Anyway she can tell you more about it than I can.

But our roof is very steep and we didn't use scaffolding. They built roof jacks and angled ladders. (something like it is visible here).

Our decking was rotted badly and I'm just passing along the info that there's Hope! Materials cost was more like $3500-4000. For reference, our house is approx. 1350 square feet and this collage picture shows an idea of how steep and large the roof is (big version of same picture).
ignusfaatus
Mar. 1st, 2006 07:14 pm (UTC)
what a pretty craftsman that is! Thats a really nice house. Looks like it on a hill? sweet!
burnunit
Mar. 1st, 2006 08:01 pm (UTC)
is that what it is? i always thought of craftsman as a little more low slung or something. I don't know enough about architecture I guess and when I think of craftsman I think of those classic bungalows with the pronounced beams and pillars and stuff and like the... The Gamble house. But I suppose this is from that era; it was built in 1911. it's not actually on a hill but nor is it the lowest point in the neighborhood.

I feel like you are one of few people to look at those pictures and say "that's a really nice house" because you can recognize it as a house of a certain style and all that that implies. I forget sometimes how much I liked it because I always look at it and see the bad trim, the bad roof (now not so bad), the crumbling steps, the knowledge that we still have a ton of work on the interior to do... It's really lovely to hear someone else say that and note that it's part of a "style" and to remind me that, yes, I too was able to look at it once and say it's a lovely house. I think the winter depresses my view of the place because we don't have any rich greens in our view of it now, just stumps and limbs and shit we have to pick up after the roofing project... Thanks, though!
ignusfaatus
Mar. 3rd, 2006 10:30 pm (UTC)
just wanted to share this pic with you
magicmarmot
Mar. 1st, 2006 09:25 pm (UTC)
It's more of a want vs. a need. The house roof is lower than the front walls-- they're built into a facade on the front and back to make the house look taller than it is. It also restricts the space on the upper floor.

It's bad construction, though not horrible-horrible. It's horribly insulated though, and there is no venting.

When we started fixing the porch roof, the rot had extended down all the way to the footings. Had to tear the porch out completely. The idea is that if I run into something similar when planning just a reroofing, it makes sense to add walls and make a full second story.

It's all planning and contingency at this point-- research. Looking at refinancing, and getting a ballpark estimate of expenses to cover remodeling costs.
ignusfaatus
Mar. 1st, 2006 07:11 pm (UTC)
a tear off usually doesnt go down to the rafters. Is the condition this bad? Those vents that go along the peak of the roof are great but you would need to replace- recut all the boards underneath. What is the pitch of your roof? I should think that you could rent the scaffolding from somewhere...I might know someone. but have you seen that scaffolding? You really have to be a monkey for it. As far as custom made stuff I recommend Scherer bros.
magicmarmot
Mar. 1st, 2006 09:29 pm (UTC)
The front porch started with repairing a leaky roof. As we started tearing off the layers, we discovered the extent of the damage going further and further until it reached down to the footings.

The roof is still the original roof on the house, and there have been leaks going back before we owned the house. I don't know what condition it's in underneath the shingles.
bohemianrapsody
Mar. 1st, 2006 08:26 pm (UTC)
Scott=my fiancee=professional roofer for 15 years.
If you want a free consultation, his # is 612-229-6439
magicmarmot
Mar. 1st, 2006 09:27 pm (UTC)
I'm definitely calling him, but I want to have an idea of what I want to do first. Probably next week.

This is primarily being driven by the refinancing thing that needs to happen with the whole title thing. Long story, but I'm trying to determine how much I can afford to suck out of equity.
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